Feature #3199

Narrow gauge

Added by oberhuemer about 8 years ago. Updated almost 8 years ago.

Status:ClosedStart date:2011-10-30
Priority:NormalDue date:
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Description

Just gathering ideas...(only German for now)
Core engines:
sax.: I K, IV K, VI K
DRG: 99.73
DR: 99.23, 199.8
DB: V 51/V 52
Multiple units:
DRG: 137 322 ff.
private: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talbot_Typ_Eifel/Schleswig, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAE_VT_1_und_2 (slightly later and more powerful), http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSB_187_016_bis_019

There would then only be a very simple wagon selection, like:
passenger car (+ DR Rekos)
baggage car (+ Reko)
open wagon
closed wagon
flatcar
tank car
in addition to a "Rollbock" and/or "Rollwagen", but that would be a bit complicated.

I_K_3_sax.png (5.72 KB) oberhuemer, 2011-11-20 01:11

History

#1 Updated by oberhuemer about 8 years ago

I think I'll work on this after Epoch 1 core standard gauge is finished, since nobody has done it, nobody else is likely to do it, it won't take much time and I'm just in the mood. I could also imagine an eventual extension to "Lokalbahnen" - similar speed, power and use.

#2 Updated by oberhuemer about 8 years ago

  • Description updated (diff)

#3 Updated by Eddi about 8 years ago

Imho narrow gauge should be a very low priority project. there are a lot of things lacking to make narrow gauge interesting
  • development practically stops in the 1950s
  • missing concept: massive curve speed limits on standard gauge rails
  • missing concept: lower space requirement
  • missing concept: modern hybrid trams
  • missing concept: shunting/"Rollbock" feeder system

(list probably incomplete)

#4 Updated by Eddi about 8 years ago

alternative option is to implement narrow gauge as trams, like HEQS does, but that has the problem that you have way less flexibility in assembling consists.

#5 Updated by oberhuemer about 8 years ago

1 is not a problem, just the way things are - there's still 70 years before and a few vehicles after that. The thing to do will be either to standard-gauge lines or use trucks, just like in the Canadian set after ~1980. 2 can't really be used sensibly because extremely long curves are very impractical (until proved otherwise of course). The advantage of 3 can be simulated more or less by (much?) lower costs. 4 isn't used all that much. 5 is really a disadvantage of the system and is present everywhere in OpenTTD.
Using trams additionally changes the system too much from real trains.

#6 Updated by oberhuemer about 8 years ago

  • Description updated (diff)

#7 Updated by oberhuemer about 8 years ago

Exhibit A, just because, and I'm redoing the wagon list (http://www.saechsische-schmalspurfahrzeuge.de/):
Two passenger cars, one short (early), one long. The long one would then have two or three generations, of which the newer two would be modernized. Same for mail/baggage cars.
Freight cars would be simplified further to only open and closed wagons, each in two- and four-axle versions, for the basic part (this might not look so nice).

#8 Updated by oberhuemer about 8 years ago

  • File I_K_3_sax.png added
  • Priority changed from Low to Normal

Narrow gauge might actually be useful when there's not much to road vehicles yet (before about 1930?).

#9 Updated by oberhuemer about 8 years ago

  • File deleted (I_K_3_sax.png)

#10 Updated by oberhuemer almost 8 years ago

I've taken the Bavarian narrow gauge engines out of core, since their significance was practically zero, and instead put the GtL 4/4 and the PtL 2/2 into the mix.

#11 Updated by Eddi almost 8 years ago

oberhuemer wrote:

I've taken the Bavarian narrow gauge engines out of core, since their significance was practically zero

not sure if that makes a lot of sense... currently, you can disable the narrow gauge engines by not using a narrow gauge rail set. so i don't see a lot of harm in offering them anyway, since they are providing a neat set of basic engines.

put the GtL 4/4

i originally left that one out, because it overlaps quite heavily with the R 4/4

and the PtL 2/2 into the mix.

i'm indifferent to that one... might turn out to be a pretty useless engine, or provide some good niche use...

#12 Updated by oberhuemer almost 8 years ago

Well, it's just a neat little gimmick, might work better with a set of "super slow" tracks (with a maximum type amount of 32?). Not really important right now anyway.

#13 Updated by oberhuemer almost 8 years ago

  • % Done changed from 0 to 100

Everything's pretty much set, no need to leave this.

#14 Updated by oberhuemer almost 8 years ago

  • Status changed from New to Closed

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