NewGRFs » Central European Train Set

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll keep those in mind. I can definitely see how your versions are cleaner. How was the color palette off? I converted it to indexed colors using the TTD DOS palette in Photoshop and it looked fine in TTDViewer.

I'd be happy to draw some Prussian wagons but I have barely any references handy. Do link if you know of any.

Passenger cars:
three-axle compartment cars http://www.tt-oldtimer.de/images/Personenwagen/OhneBremserhausC3.JPG http://www.tt-oldtimer.de/images/Personenwagen/Cid.JPG
four-axle compartment cars http://www.tt-oldtimer.de/images/Reisezugwagen/Abteilwagen%20C4%20Pr-04.jpg Length 18.5 meters (36 px)
express train cars http://www.rbd-breslau.de/14-sitzwagen/s-1123_c4uepr08.jpg
two-axle cars (multiple variants exist, examples: http://www.tt-oldtimer.de/images/Personenwagen/CiPr91a.JPG http://www.tt-oldtimer.de/images/Personenwagen/CIPr93TilligSet.jpg http://www.tt-oldtimer.de/images/Personenwagen/Citr_Pr_5b.JPG

You might have to guess about the lengths, maybe I'll find more too.

Historically, Prussian wagons were standardized in a system of drawings called "Normalien"

here are a few examples with lengths, and lots of explanations: http://www.museumseisenbahn.de/dme/dme96_4_dgeg_dahlhausen.pdf

you're not on IRC at the moment so i reply here:

Elukka wrote:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Art%20and%20stuff/abteilwagen.png

if that's the compartment wagon from the above PDF, that should be a 4th class wagon, so it should have grey colour. 3rd (brown) and 2nd (green) class wagons have different door/window setup. (see oberhümer's models).

• 3 axle compartment wagons for express and passenger trains (B3, C3, maybe BC3 randomly, D3 was actually quite rare)
• 2 axle open-corridor wagons for local trains (Bi, Ci, Di, BCi, CDi)

• 4 axle closed-corridor wagons for express trains (B4ü, C4ü, AB4ü, BC4ü, ABC4ü)
• 4 axle compartment wagons for commuter trains ("Hunderttürenwagen", B4, C4)
• reuse older 3-axle compartment wagons for "accelerated" passenger trains

Oh, and before i forget:

the first and the last pixel-column (or row in | views) of the templates are made so they overlap in the game, so they should both be same shade of black (for closed-corridor carriages) or transparent (for compartment carriages)

Here is a prussian 2-axle CDi (combined 3rd and 4th class): http://www.lbforum.com/images/Messe 2008/CDipranz.jpg

(Hmz... looks like there is no way to handle links with spaces)

I'll rework it, then try to get the rest of the compartment coaches done. What's up with the buffers on one side and lengthening the wagon on the other? I thought both ends will overlap with the next wagon by 1px, and that anything in that area will glitch unless it's the same color on both cars.

The actual fully usable length would be 28 pixels in your case. However, the CETS templates provide for an extra pixel of space that can be used for buffers; that way, they can be on both sides without making the car body too short.

i've said this in IRC before, but for completeness i put this here:
http://www.rbd-breslau.de/14-sitzwagen/sitzwagen_s_pr.html for reference about 4 axle corridor wagons

10 lu is really too long (18.5 m = ~ 36 px = 9 lu). Besides that, the roof was oversized in the diagonal views and it seemed a little overtextured again. And the palette is still screwed.

Positives: You're getting the colors to match nicely without too much contrast, and almost all sizes are correct. With that, you're about 90% there. I'd add you as "contributor" if I could. (hint to Eddi...)

I used the length of Brawa's models: (http://www.brawa.de/en/products/h0/wagons/passenger-coaches/25262-compartment-coach-abc4-kpev.html)
225 mm x 87 (H0 scale) = 19.575 m, divided by 24 x 12 = ~9.8 lu

Not sure what's with the palette, though... I used Photoshop to convert it to indexed color using the DOS palette that I think Planetmaker linked on IRC.

Ah, the palette file I was using was missing some colors.

Well, Wikipedia, referencing the original construction data, gives a length of 18.55 m for a DI 22 ABCC car. With the model, someone may have measured the length over the couplers, not the buffers - the difference between our lengths measures out to around 1 cm in HO, which is close enough.

If you can, I'd love to see that on original terrain as well (as especially the tracks are quite different there).

Elukka wrote:

Maybe too dark? They seem to rather blend into the terrain.

Looks like the blending into terrain is especially noticeable with the OpenGFX fences, which incidentally have almost the same colour as the roof. Some more intensity (and not necessarily brightness) might help here, but I don't think the palette has enough colours for that.

I don't really see the problem, though the engine looks more Bavarian than Prussian in color... I'll be fixing that. As an aside, the tender is wrong and pasted over, rather than under, the engine.

i'm fairly convinced that you should redo the 4-axle compartment wagons in 9lu.

According to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preußische_Staatseisenbahnen#Personenwagen there ever was only one series of wagons that was longer than 19m, with the vast majority being 18,5m

As an alternative we could up the scale a notch, so 13lu=24m, then the length of these wagons would fit again :)

Well... It'd be better to redraw the coaches than all the steamers, unless we just want to up the length of longer coaches? (which I wouldn't mind) Honestly though, nobody will never ever notice a 1 pixel difference. :)

i just checked, if we switched to 12.5lu = 24m, we can get away without changing the already drawn engines

i heard you wondered about the angles of the template views, to possibly get rendered vehicles. i don't know how 3D programs handle this stuff, but i have tried to document the maths behind the vehicle views here:
https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/23336e8e489d/entry/docs/angles.txt

there'll also be trickery needed to handle the length of the vehicle, because TTD has a very screwed perspective.

And if you link to the tip revision, you'll always get the newest version :)

http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/tip/entry/docs/angles.txt

i think the Pwi should have a lower roof at the end, the raised "Kanzel" doesn't cover the end of the roof.

and really, do not make the | view so narrow.

I drew this one: http://www.tt-oldtimer.de/images/Personenwagen/Pwi%20Pr%2091%20Lorenz.htm . It's from 1891, but I couldn't find pictures or drawings of anything earlier. Same probably goes for the box car and the local passenger. As for the second, I'll think about it, but asymmetry can be a problem with 7 pixels and 8 are a bit many again.

Just noticed that it seems to have five wheels in the picture. I suppose I'll ignore that...

hm... i think it looks weird, but if it has an actual example, then i guess it can be accepted. and that's not a 5th wheel underneath the wagon, it's the gas tank for the lights.

not sure why 7 pixels would cause symmetry problems... there is no mathematical reason for this. (odd numbers make things easier in a lot of cases)

I'll try with seven pixels.

note that the vehicle length is also an odd number